Summary
Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan.
Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea.
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.”
His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law.
Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.
Of course he does not. Every American president has always voted against Palestinian self-determination at the UN.
But how can we blame and isolate Palestinian/Muslium/Arab voters if we dont pretend that what Trump saying is something new? /s
Trump seems to practicing a classic example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinkmanship
Not sure if purposefully or just accidentally.
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.”
I will make the best Economy evah!
Lol no, om going to use the US funds to pay for millions of refugees that I artificially created so that I can have my very own Riviera for free
The fiscally conservative party at its finest, everyone
"I’M PROTEST VOTING. " - Dumb Bastards
People immigrating to the US? Criminal invaders. The biggest threat to America. Meanwhile, let’s turn an entry country into refugees and forcibly relocate them into other countries without the consent of anyone involved. Makes perfect sense. /s
Don’t worry, trump is gonna move them to the US, and not give them any documents, then be like “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” and send them to Guantanamo doing slave labor.
Dudes gonna single handedly start WW3
his handler in moscow deserves some credit
Trump is the handler in this case. Handling Putin’s balls.
It’s called an oligargle
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Bravo. 🥲
Hey CNN, wanna interview those protest voters again?
Do you respect Palestinians or not?
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I voted for Harris, but I also recognize the great value of people refusing to vote for a Democratic candidate when they move too far to the right. If there is no consequence for drifting right, the candidates will continue to do so.
The whole “preserve democracy” thing sounds good if you don’t think about it too hard, but it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The Biden/Harris team proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they weren’t capable of defending democracy. Nominating Garland proved that. The dems pathetic response to Trump’s current lawlessness has proven that.
You can’t “defend democracy” just by saying the words “defend democracy.” You actually have to do it. And they proved that they were either unwilling or incapable of actually defending democracy. That’s why that talking point so fell flat.
But the Palestinian people didn’t vote for Kamala. That is like saying, us sophisticated Kamala genocide fans are smarter than you Palestinians & know what is best for you. So I ask again why do you not respect the Palestinians & what they wanted?
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The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all.
Here you assume that there are no Palestinian Americans, very racist.
Those that are US citizens chose to throw away their vote so they’re in the same camp as those who are not US citizens.
Here you claim that Palestinians that didn’t vote for Kamala are US citizens, but you don’t consider them to be US citizens… more racism.
Palestinian people who were US citizens chose the worse of the two options
Here you claim that Palestinians don’t know what is best for them, which is more racism.
the Palestinian people who were not US citizens had a vote here
More racism by you attempting to claim that there aren’t Palestinian Americans.
They do not have enough power, militaristicly speaking, to have autonomy over their own region, and are unfortunately at the mercy of Israel and their close allies (e.g. the USA right now), to control their fate/future.
Weird how you could have voted for someone else that didn’t support genocide & unconditional support of Israel, which would have given them more autonomy but you chose not to.
Palestinian Americans and allies who could have voted and chosen a less evil/less terrible path ahead, and they flubbed things in the name of making a point
Weird how you claim to always know what is best for them. Just like the white man always knows what is best for African Americans. Very racist of you.
The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all.
Here you assume that there are no Palestinian Americans, very racist.
This is an illogical misinterpretation. Consider a Venn diagram of Palestinians and US Citizens. The intersection is obviously not the empty set. That initial sentence you quoted is describing the set of Palestinians minus said intersection. You even betray your misinterpretation by quoting “Palestinian people who were US citizens” between accusations of racism.
Much of the rest of your comment similarly falls apart from this illogical misinterpretation.
You are trying to explain why you think it is okay for you to be racist.
He is doing a Putin
Lmao. Enjoy Dearborn, Michigan. When he kicks you out, you can join them in limbo.
I mean Jordan said recently that they’d consider pushing refugees across their border an act of war. Trump’s “plan”, if it can even be called that, doesn’t include a realistic way to bring about all this. I think I represent a good number of Muslims when I way: Fuck him, but it ain’t happening.
Trump wants to own hotels and resorts in a razed and reconstructed Gaza. Do you think he cares where the Palestinians go? Do you think the rest of the world will want to look more deeply into it if he just says “they’ve been relocated, no I won’t tell you to where”?
He’s presenting a Palästinenserproblem. People should be watching very carefully.
Do you think the rest of the world will want to look more deeply into it if he just says “they’ve been relocated, no I won’t tell you to where”?
Well, I do suspect the EU will be more than a little miffed about it. Not enough to come to blows, but probably enough to sanction Israel. That said, that is secondary to the real problem with Trump’s plan: There’s no way the Arab states will agree to this. Assuming he does start exterminating Gazans they’ll flee to Israel, Jordan and Egypt, and while the IDF will be able to keep them from from crossing the border (mostly by killing everything that moves), it’s impossible to expect that of Egyptian and Jordanian soldiers. Gazans will cross over into these two countries, which will lead to a collapse of the peace treaties between them and Israel. Also on the home front, the outrage at all this just might be the last straw that gets an Arab head of state assassinated or lead to some kind of regime change. The former has precedent; this is what got Anwar El-Sadat. Now there’s a very real chance that Egypt, Syria and/or Jordan declare war over this, but even if they don’t this will isolate Israel in the region in a way it hasn’t been in decades. Even if Trump is okay with that, the Israeli government sure as hell isn’t. That’s what will ultimately throw a wrench into the whole thing.
“But if the Dems ran a better candidate…”
“But Harris didn’t even stop in Dearborn, so it’s her fault not ours”
“Sure, everything Trump says is a lie, but at least he stopped here to lie to our faces. It’s the dem’s fault.”
“One of Trump’s first acts last time was a Muslim ban, but I can’t be arsed to remember that far back”
“I had to vote for this otherwise the dems wouldn’t learn anything”
/s
But if the Dems ran a better candidate…
This is completely valid criticism. Stop pretending it’s not. The DNC is in the habit of specifically going out of their way to choose unpopular pundits, and that’s not voters fault.
Voting for Trump, or not voting is their fault…
You clearly have no idea how US elections work at that level. The single candidate with the most votes wins. “Not Trump” was not a candidate.
If Trump gets 49% of the vote, Harris 48%, and “other” gets 3%, that’s not counted as 51% against Trump and he loses. That’s Trump winning with 49% of the vote.
Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.
Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.
Two things can be true at once. Voters not voting is bad, and it’s their fault. The DNC being incapable of finding pundits people want to vote for is also bad, and is also their fault. Pointing one out, has nothing to do with the other and both of these factors led to the election of Donald Trump not once, but TWICE.
Pointing out the DNC’s responsibility to find electable candidates doesn’t elevate the voters responsibility. But if the DNC were capable of finding pundits voters wanted to vote for no issue would exist. You wouldn’t have people refusing to vote, or voting for Trump out of some fucked up sense of “haha, I’m gonna stick it to you!”
Pretending like this issue is solely at the fault of the voters is so fucking disingenuous, disgusting and partyist its insane.
The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.
It’s up to the voters to make smart choices, and some of them made the stupid choice.
The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.
You don’t have to convince me of this. I completely agree. I’ve said only that the DNC has a responsibility to provide something better than an Iguana and for the past three election cycles, that’s what we’ve got and people are pissed. But every time you try to have meaningful discourse about how the DNC is only supplying Iguana people treat you like you’re some kind of turncoat who voted for Trump. And that’s just bullshit.
We need to be mad at non-voters, people who “lashed out” and voted for Trump, and people who let themselves be swept away by the lies of a grifter who we did nothing but warn them about. But we also need to be mad at the DNC… It’s not entirely the voters fault and fuck anyone who says it is.
We need to be mad at non-voters, people who “lashed out” and voted for Trump, and people who let themselves be swept away by the lies of a grifter who we did nothing but warn them about. But we also need to be mad at the DNC
Please also try to funnel that anger into meaningful action. Staying mad at non-voters is understandable but also entirely unhelpful. Staying mad at the DNC however is both understandable and rational, and has the potential to drive change if you allow yourself to channel it into something productive.
You clearly have no idea how US elections work at that level. The single candidate with the most votes wins.
Which is exactly why in order to win an election, a campaign needs to offer concessions to voters to earn as many votes as possible.
Something the Democratic Party’s Campaign decisively chose not to do, and in fact do the opposite.
Instead of trying to secure hundreds of thousands to millions of constituents by supporting a permanent ceasefire and weapons embargo, a policy vastly supported by the Democrats own voter base (in addition to the majority of also independent and Republican voters), they instead alienated those voters by more than just ignoring their valid concerns.
They chose to arrest thousands of student protestors, gave billions of dollars to a genocide at the tax payers expense consistently for 15 months, actively suppressed the voices and representation of the main victims of the genocide, and campaigned with Liz Cheney (who was actively involved with the Bush-Cheney foreign policy in the middle east and enthusiastically pro ethnic cleansing of Palestinians). They chose to do all that instead of represent the view of the majority of their constituents and abide by domestic/international law.
And that was just one of the major issues, along with immigration and the economy, that tanked the approval of the Democratic Party. If the Democratic Party wanted to actually win against Trump they would have done everything to gain as many votes as possible. They chose not to. They threw the election and let an unpopular fascist win.
most electoral college votes. Less people voted for trump than did for Hillary in 2016, and he still won.
YOU do not seem to know how elections work beyond a single cycle. You view each election as singular isolated event, and you have zero perspective of the grander game that’s played between cycles.
What exactly do you think would happen if 100% of Dem voters always “voted blue no matter who?” If every Dem vote is already locked in from day one, what incentive does the party have to do anything to actually represent them? This is why the Dems worked so hard to court Republicans to vote for Harris. They figured that the Dem base was so scared of Trump that their votes were already locked in.
If you want a party to actually represent your beliefs, there have to be some people on your side willing to walk away if the party drifts too far out of line. If no Democratic voters are ever willing to abandon a Democrat for being too conservative, then the Dem candidates will drift further and further right each cycle.
Yes, there’s the idea of democracy being on the line, but when is democracy NOT going to be on the line? And truthfully, the Democratic leaders proved that they were not reliable stewards of Democracy. The party that nominated Garland had zero ability to argue that they would defend democracy. Just look at how limp-wristed the Democrats in Congress have been in responding to Trump’s lawlessness. These people are not capable of defending democracy. Trump should have been thrown in Gitmo on day one of the Biden administration. Instead Biden nominated a Republican to be his attorney general, and the rest is history.
“Democrats will ignore you if they can always count on your vote”
“Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil”
And idiotic absolutism is why we’re in this mess.
Good job!
Edit: If you meant the /s on your comment, my bad. There’s just so many insane takes going around, I kind of need that to differentiate.
our best bet was in the primaries in 2020. from there it’s all been about our best opportunities to keep trump away from power regardless. i know america sucks. i live here, too. but to act like voting for the lesser of two evils in a binary choice election was worse than letting trump have power is to dissengage from the fact that this is america. this is how the system is stacked against us. you don’t get to just magically not be part of it because you don’t like it. there was nothing stopping you from organizing resistance under kamala. but there’s plenty of violence under trump that’s making it hard to organize.
Maybe I’m just getting whooshed here, but aren’t you and atzanteol saying the same thing? lol
Are they just getting downvoted because the forgot the “/s”?
Are we? I feel like that’s a pretty necessary “/s” considering the mental gymnastics I’ve heard IRL and on Lemmy. If they edit their comment to add that very necessary qualifier, I’ll happily throw 'em an upvote. As-is, I genuinely have no idea.
I for sure hear you on the insane takes flying around! From the context it looked pretty clear to me that they were tagging on to your post rather than trying to contradict it, but who knows.
Posting sarcasm about a controversial topic without a “/s” tag is like fucking without a condom… it carries a risk, but sometimes you just gotta do what feels right!
/s…
“we just had to teach the DNC a lesson at the polls during that specific election!!!”
Biden: I just have to aid genocide during an election year when I’m up against an absolute fascist.
Edit: cope and deal with it
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You don’t make friends with genocide 🤷♂️
Do you think the message got across to him? Did the DNC learn anything?
No, he’s a demented old man who broke many promises…like only running 1 term. That doesn’t mean you don’t say anything. It’s almost as if they are representing the will of the people…you need to show up and say something…like using your 1st amendment rights to organize and protest
Edit: fuck trump, his supporters & and anyone who can’t understand Biden’s role in giving the presidency back to trump. You can also add anyone in swing states that voted 3rd party/abstained
I’d like to earnestly suggest you reevaluate your strategy. Clearly threatening/withholding general election votes hasn’t been successful, and there’s obviously a lot of risk of negative outcomes like Trump winning. I think the general election is just too late in the process for a protest vote to mean anything.
I’m all for showing up and saying something, and I think pressure and threats during primary voting have worked in the past. I think we could have applied a LOT more pressure earlier in the process and might have had a better outcome. Now instead we have the worst possible result for the people of Palestine.
They did apply a lot of pressure during the primary. The total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted) which is absolutely massive for a primary. On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. The Democratic Party knew that at they were risking at least 1.4 million votes by ignoring the issue. Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win. They also knew throughout the whole campaign that a vast majority of their constituents wanted weapons embargo and permanent ceasefire (required by domestic and international law), plus a majority of independents and Republicans. There was no valid reason for the Democratic Party to ignore the demands of that many voters, especially if trying to win an election
I wouldn’t hold my strategy at more fault that the DNC and it’s strategists. They’re the ones with a billion dollars at their disposal and it’s kind of their job to appeal to voters. People have needs and cutting off billions in “genocide-aid” seems like a no brainer. Countless opportunities to invoke the Leahy Act, win over more voters, and save some money.
…but I’m only a constituent, what do I know
Biden wasn’t the candidate.
Correct.
Kamala: I would do nothing different
She wouldn’t let a Palestinian speak at the DNC and pledged to do everything in her power to suck up to Netanyahu. There is so much cope here. There is no fucking difference between Biden, Kamala and Trump. They all suck off Satanyahu. The US is controlled by the Israel lobby. Mearsheimer has been screaming about this for 20 years.
Right, because Harris wanted to kick all of the Palestinians out so she could build a resort.
At least she and Biden attempted to negotiate peace.
Thank you for saving Gaza
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Is that not what happened? Lol
“Ooh I have a choice between genocide or genocide with extra fucking awful fascist bullshit. Which shall I choose? I know, I’ll go for the obviously worse option because I’m a good person” <— you
I voted dem, my state is blue, and we have a great local community. It’s been awful in Gaza long before trump. You can stand by whatever level of government funded genocide you want. There is nuance to voting, but not when I comes to aiding war crimes when you have complete power to stop sending munitions
This was literally Bidens plan as well.
You can have fun laughing at people that didn’t want to vote for someone directly responsible for killing their families (as if you’d be different at all), but don’t do it because you think this is something worse that Trump is doing that Biden wouldn’t.
Provide any source for your claim. Never did Biden state anything like this.
Biden didn’t state anything. That was his thing. Not giving interviews. With his administration it wasn’t what he said, it’s what his administration did.
And yes, Anthony Blinken flew all over the middle east trying to get this proposal through. I’m sorry you like to post opinions on something you apparently have no knowledge of.
https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/middle-east-reels-a-new-option-takes-shape-expulsion/
So the same as what Biden was doing in the West Bank.
It’s ironic that China seems to be the country supporting the Palestinians, I kinda feel we might be the baddies.
I don’t think China (the government) actually cares. Just like the US supporting Ukraine, the US (the government) does not actually care about Ukrainians.
Russia - Ukraine conflict
Israel - Palestine conflict
Its all just a chess game to become (or remain) the superpower
Sadly every major power tends to be the baddies to some extent, it’s how they get to be and stay major powers. We just get to grade on a curve. Nazi Germany really set the curve and the US got to be the pretty unambiguous good guys, at least up to the firebombing campaign in Japan, the nuclear bombs, and being complicit after the fact in Japanese atrocities by shielding them from consequences.
While we have an “ambient” level of baddie-ness most of the time, we at least have balanced it out by sometimes defending against unjust violence and providing humanitarian aid.
Now Trump seeks to turn that baddie scale up to the max while simultaneously cutting out all aid efforts.
Not ironic it all.
The US condemns China for the treatment of the Uyghurs. US good, China bad.
China condemns the US for the treatment of the Palestinians. China good, US bad.
Both countries don’t give a shit about either.
hey hey hey, at least the US is genociding brown people by proxy. You gotta give us that at least.
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Well it’s a good thing we don’t have the status quo of the DNC, slamming it into overdrive is MUCH better! Remember a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide/s
Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn’t vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump’s Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
Biden suggests to move Palestinian to Egypt and Jordan as early as October 2023. So did previous US administration it goes back to 80s.
Saying the quite part out load is what is different now and the Democrats pretend they are upset while Both Kamala and Biden saying their proud Zionist.
What is now different is that Trump want the place for himself not for Israel nor the US.
Thank you for saving Gaza
Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term instead of being forced to flee repeatedly within the country.
Trying to equate the two is quite disingenuous.
Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term
Just how gullible are you? When has any expulsion or relocation of Palestinians out of a territory ever been temporary? Biden isn’t a complete moron. He would know as well as anyone that there is no such thing as a temporary relocation of Palestinians.
People don’t follow news and ignore it then come back making statement that proven wrong and shove it in everyone face.
Reality every person who read history or watch news knows for fact that when it comes to Israel US position has been consistent.
Blaming Palestinians who said “fuck this party that want our vote and continue to kill our families” even though it has proven they reason Kamala lost is Economy.
Continuing this fake narrative outright racist at best.
Reminds me how they kept downvoting people who dispute the numbers of people killed in October 7 which, also proven to be around 800 at best and proven the Israel ordered their soldier to use the Hannibal directive of bombing vehicles regardless who is inside.
Yup. This is way too consistent not to be getting pushed from somewhere. Literally every bit of Gaza news is just a bloody rag to be used to blame the left to these guys. It’s getting disgusting. And they’re alienating people instead of bringing them together
If you actually believe they would have been allowed back after, I have a Riviera to sell you.
Biden (and Trump’s) proposed plan all line up pretty nicely with these leaked documents from the Israeli government. https://www.972mag.com/intelligence-ministry-gaza-population-transfer/
The document unequivocally and explicitly recommends transferring Palestinian civilians from Gaza as the desired outcome of the war
The transfer plan is divided into several stages. In the first stage, action must be taken so that the population of Gaza “evacuates south,” while the air strikes focus on the northern Gaza Strip
The document also says that the United States should be enlisted in the process to exert pressure on Egypt to absorb the Palestinian residents of Gaza, and that other European countries — particularly Greece and Spain — as well as Canada should help absorb and settle the Palestinian refugees.
The Intelligence Ministry document states that Egypt will have an “obligation under international law to allow the passage of the population,” and that the United States can contribute to the process by “exerting pressure on Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE to contribute to the initiative, either with resources or with the absorption of displaced persons.”
The disingenuous is your statement saying they will be allowed back, how about move them back to their home that they cannot return to since 1948 aka “right of return” ? or moving them to housing options in west bank ? why Egypt? why Jordan?
why would Egypt send their military and build a wall across the border when Biden admin suggested that? Israel was planing that before October, On June 2023 their prime minister goes to UN and draw a pipeline on a map across Gaza. Making it clear they want to annex it. Do you think the US weren’t aware of it? Do you think Egypt who warn Israel about October didn’t pass the info to the US?
Do you really think people don’t read history or know what is going on to believe outlandish statement that Biden will move them to Egypt, drop the equivalent of two nuclear bomb on the region, then build it up, then bring people back?
Buddy, they’ve never been allowed back before. Why would the Isrealis allow them back now?
Found one of the dipshits!
How is it worse? This was literally Bidens public plan. His administration was just quieter about it, though not silent, which is how we know if was their plan.
Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They’re laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it’s their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
